For all you Bush haters

[copgib 15]

Subject: Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008

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below:

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

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Taxes under Clinton 1999 ------------

Taxes under Bush 2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400 - Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000- Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250- Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800- Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000- Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750- Married making 125K - tax $31,250

If you want to know just how effective the mainstream media is, it is amazing how many people that fall

into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

If any democrat is elected, ALL of them say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie "The Sting" with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of their money and they don't even know what happened

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[PPC 37]

thankyou

[copgib 15]

I see alot folks on here and other forums state how Bush screwed everything up while in office. I voted for him and yes he has made alot of mistakes in my opinon, but as you can see above, he has did some good for everyone even though they may not realize it. Just trying to share an email that a relative sent me. Hugh

[Jeff 232]

YES and George Bush is doing a wonderful job managing the economy:lgangry::lgangry::lgbonk::lgtear:. The dumb ass up to a couple months ago was saying the economy was strong. Yes less taxes (maybe)but the biggest deficit EVER and now he's going to give 130,000,000 people a rebate. Oops its OK we can have a different generation pay for his outrageous spending:lgmoneyey

Don't republicans see Bush for what he is? A spend & spend & spend President:lglolly:. Forget about all his & Chenneys lies. Hell remember Halliburtin in Iraq, robbed us blind at the expense of our soldiers lives. Hallaburtin lost many contracts ( Guess what there is a new company in there and its run by Halliburtin ex employees and is part of halliburtin. The Prez & the Vice Prez are scamming all you that think Bush is wonderful:sunshine::lildevil:

did I ever mention I'm not a big fan of GW:wave:

Go GW, to bad many are out of work and wont be able to afford to get their houses washed this year, thqats even if they still have a house

OK I'll shut up for now LOL LOL LOL

[Jeff 232]

I see alot folks on here and other forums state how Bush screwed everything up while in office. I voted for him and yes he has made alot of mistakes in my opinon, but as you can see above, he has did some good for everyone even though they may not realize it. Just trying to share an email that a relative sent me. Hugh

Hugh like you said made a lot of mistakes. Dont believe every email you read buddy. Hugh hope all is going alright

[newlook 265]

whhooo hoooo. wooo nelly!!

had to get that out of my system...lol

[Adrian 155]

ok, I'm kind of afraid to post here, because I don't want Jeff hunting me down.

I already did the early vote a couple of weeks ago. I won't say which party, (again, Jeff might find me) but now I am just not really sure I like either candidate on either side. It seems like it has come to this in my simple non political mind: If I were to vote for McCain it wouldn't really be in support of him but only be representing a vote against Obama and vice versa. ( or Hills)

I just am not feeling the trustworthiness from any of them on either side. But I did vote.... and will again in Nov.

I feel like my hands are tied this time around. But at least I am a legit stat who voted. I don't think those who don't vote should have their complaints heard or eve bitc% at all. It's the one thing I can do to at least make my scratch mark ( or digi mark ). My man may not win, but by voting I can at least gripe legit.

... at least Huck plays a mean Bass guitar. But that's not a good enough platform to bass it on. Bass, get it, bass. hahahahahahahah. I'm running from Jeff now.

[Jeff 232]

Ha Ha, you don't have to run from me, I don't dislike all republicans, I just dont like Bush at all and didn't before he was Prez

Even if there was a GREAT candidate, most wouldn't know it, because we ALL distrust our elected officials and we have a right to, because none of them in whole have earned our trust. Its a shame that we hire these people and no one really likes any of them to much. Screwy real screwy

Adrian you hurt my feelings. I do this political stuff for fun. Like I said, you dont have to run even thou you voted for GW twice LOL

[plainpainter 217]

I defy anyone to post their tax returns for the last 16 years and show conclusively that they paid less under Bush - I don't believe it. Nobody I know says they pay less taxes under Bush - I question your post very much.

[plainpainter 217]

Subject: Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008

If you think the following may be fabricated, click on the link

below:

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

<http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html>

Taxes under Clinton 1999 ------------

Taxes under Bush 2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400 - Single making 30K - tax $4,500

I just looked up this link and did some math - in the year 2008 under Bush according to this site - a single person making 30k would have to pay

$4098.75 not $4,500! And under Clinton the same 30k would have to pay

$4952.50 not $8,400! The difference isn't that much - and totally ignores the fact that different deductions and such lead to different Adjusted Gross incomes - I remember my salaries under clinton making 50k+ - My total taxes of Federal, State, Fica, and Medicare never amounted to more than 28% of my initial total gross income - so this chart is at best irrelevent. And at worse serves to demonstrate that you republican ********** that visit this board have your heads so far stuck up your ****** - that you don't even realize that when your salary is taxed - the WHOLE amount is not taxed at the highest tax bracket that you are in!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first 10 grand of your money is taxed the same if you make 10 grand, 20 grand or a million!

Man I can't wait for the next Democratic president to free me and my democratic brothers from this idiotic republican fantasy world.

[PPC 37]

poeple carry on like he has ruined there life

[Jeff 232]

Unreal what a waste of 42 Million. Heck just tell the media and they would have got the message out. Our Gov is soooooo out of whack

Dear Taxpayer: This letter cost you $42 million

IRS spending money to inform households rebate checks will soon arrive

WASHINGTON - At a cost of nearly $42 million, the IRS wants you to know: Your check is almost in the mail.

The Internal Revenue Service is spending the money on letters to alert taxpayers to expect rebate checks as part of the economic stimulus plan.

The notices are going out this month to an estimated 130 million households who filed returns for the 2006 tax year, at a cost $41.8 million, IRS spokesman John Lipold confirmed.

That works out to about 32 cents to print, process and mail each letter. It doesn't include the tab for another round of mailings planned for those who didn't file tax returns last year but may still qualify for a rebate.

Democrats accused the Bush administration of wasting time and postage.

"There are countless better uses for $42 million than a self-congratulatory mailer that gives the president a pat on the back for an idea that wasn't even his," Sen. Charles Schumer said Friday, arguing the IRS could more effectively spend the money to catch tax cheats.

Keith Hennessey, director of the president's National Economic Council, said the letters are being sent to explain how the tax rebates will work.

"Any time you do something as a government tens of millions of times, there is ample room for people to get confused. And so if you're going to have tens of millions of taxpayers getting checks, you want to get the information out so that you have as few people as possible confused about what's happening, they understand what's coming, and it reduces the number of incoming requests that IRS and Treasury have to figure out how to deal with it," said Hennessey.

"Dear Taxpayer," the letters will begin, going on to say the IRS is pleased to inform the recipient that Congress passed and President Bush signed into law a plan that will provide payments of up to $600 for individuals who qualify or $1,200 for married couples filing jointly. The rebates are the centerpiece of a $168 billion economic stimulus package.

The actual rebate checks are scheduled to go out starting in May, after the IRS has finished separately mailing out routine refunds for the 2007 tax year.

The letters will be a reminder that people need to file a 2007 tax return so they will receive the rebate if they are eligible for it.

Similar notices will go out later to some Social Security recipients and those who receive veterans benefits — groups that often do not file tax returns.

For those people to get a rebate check, they will need to file a tax return if they received at least $3,000 from a combination of certain Social Security benefits, veterans benefits and earned income. The minimum payment for this group will be $300 for an individual and $600 for a couple filing jointly.

Not everyone will be eligible. Singles with income of more than $75,000 and couples with more than $150,000 get only partial rebates, if any.

People who earn less than $3,000, illegal immigrants and anyone who does not file a tax return will miss out. Singles with incomes exceeding $87,000 and couples with incomes exceeding $174,000 also won't qualify, although those caps rise by $6,000 per child.

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[copgib 15]

Jeff I expected a good response out of you! That is why I posted it to get your blood pressure up! I am still recovering from coming home from a job and being burglarized. I totaled up my losses and it was about $16,000 dollars in jewlery and other items. I still can't believe it finally happened to me! Hugh

[RMedbery 26]

I just looked up this link and did some math - in the year 2008 under Bush according to this site - a single person making 30k would have to pay

$4098.75 not $4,500! And under Clinton the same 30k would have to pay

$4952.50 not $8,400! The difference isn't that much - and totally ignores the fact that different deductions and such lead to different Adjusted Gross incomes - I remember my salaries under clinton making 50k+ - My total taxes of Federal, State, Fica, and Medicare never amounted to more than 28% of my initial total gross income - so this chart is at best irrelevent. And at worse serves to demonstrate that you republican ********** that visit this board have your heads so far stuck up your ****** - that you don't even realize that when your salary is taxed - the WHOLE amount is not taxed at the highest tax bracket that you are in!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first 10 grand of your money is taxed the same if you make 10 grand, 20 grand or a million!

Man I can't wait for the next Democratic president to free me and my democratic brothers from this idiotic republican fantasy world.

Typical looser LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[squirtgun 122]

I just looked up this link and did some math - in the year 2008 under Bush according to this site - a single person making 30k would have to pay

$4098.75 not $4,500! And under Clinton the same 30k would have to pay

$4952.50 not $8,400! The difference isn't that much - and totally ignores the fact that different deductions and such lead to different Adjusted Gross incomes - I remember my salaries under clinton making 50k+ - My total taxes of Federal, State, Fica, and Medicare never amounted to more than 28% of my initial total gross income - so this chart is at best irrelevent. And at worse serves to demonstrate that you republican ********** that visit this board have your heads so far stuck up your ****** - that you don't even realize that when your salary is taxed - the WHOLE amount is not taxed at the highest tax bracket that you are in!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first 10 grand of your money is taxed the same if you make 10 grand, 20 grand or a million!

Man I can't wait for the next Democratic president to free me and my democratic brothers from this idiotic republican fantasy world.

Daniel,

You need to lighten up a little.In the last week you have been insulting to others with less than friendly language.So much so that it has been brought to the attention of the mods.

If you feel the need to continue with you barrage of name calling and cuss words your posts will be moved from public view.

[bigchaz 157]

I just looked up this link and did some math - in the year 2008 under Bush according to this site - a single person making 30k would have to pay

$4098.75 not $4,500! And under Clinton the same 30k would have to pay

$4952.50 not $8,400! The difference isn't that much - and totally ignores the fact that different deductions and such lead to different Adjusted Gross incomes - I remember my salaries under clinton making 50k+ - My total taxes of Federal, State, Fica, and Medicare never amounted to more than 28% of my initial total gross income - so this chart is at best irrelevent. And at worse serves to demonstrate that you republican ********** that visit this board have your heads so far stuck up your ****** - that you don't even realize that when your salary is taxed - the WHOLE amount is not taxed at the highest tax bracket that you are in!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first 10 grand of your money is taxed the same if you make 10 grand, 20 grand or a million!

Man I can't wait for the next Democratic president to free me and my democratic brothers from this idiotic republican fantasy world.

Do you ever wake up and wish you weren't such an angry person?

Have you ever had a day when your truly enjoyed life? Have you ever been happy? Have you ever been thankful or proud or relieved that you are an American?

How does it feel to let a president you will probably never meet impact you so much that you can barely function in your life as a normal human being?

[Jeff 232]

poeple carry on like he has ruined there life

He has helped ruin our economy, our standings in the world, the dollar, our freedoms, our environment just to name a few. He was and is a very divisive president that thought he could do what ever he wanted, no matter if it was against the law or bend the laws or against common practice or decency

GW is the Axis of Evil But other than that he's a great guy LOL 30% approval rating, GW would call that a mandate

:lgbounces:lgsideway:lgwave:

[Jeff 232]

Jeff I expected a good response out of you! That is why I posted it to get your blood pressure up! I am still recovering from coming home from a job and being burglarized. I totaled up my losses and it was about $16,000 dollars in jewlery and other items. I still can't believe it finally happened to me! Hugh

LOL Hugh I know a lot of you right wing guys love to see my rants. Blood pressure nah, I like talking this crap, it cracks me up:kiss:

16K what a shame man. at least you or mama werent home, you never know what a crack head would do if you werent ready to confront them. Althou it would have been nice if they walked in and you were ready BANG

Keep checking the pawn shops for that jewlery

OH YA the CRIME RATE is UP with GW as president too:growl: Best President ever

Its a sickness Hugh I just cant stop hating the Bushster. Maybe I should call Rush Limbuagh if I'm sick, he can probably get me some good meds LOL LOL LOL

[Jeff 232]

I just looked up this link and did some math - in the year 2008 under Bush according to this site - a single person making 30k would have to pay

$4098.75 not $4,500! And under Clinton the same 30k would have to pay

$4952.50 not $8,400! The difference isn't that much - and totally ignores the fact that different deductions and such lead to different Adjusted Gross incomes - I remember my salaries under clinton making 50k+ - My total taxes of Federal, State, Fica, and Medicare never amounted to more than 28% of my initial total gross income - so this chart is at best irrelevent. And at worse serves to demonstrate that you republican ********** that visit this board have your heads so far stuck up your ****** - that you don't even realize that when your salary is taxed - the WHOLE amount is not taxed at the highest tax bracket that you are in!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first 10 grand of your money is taxed the same if you make 10 grand, 20 grand or a million!

Man I can't wait for the next Democratic president to free me and my democratic brothers from this idiotic republican fantasy world.

Althou I agree with the need for a Dem President, you got to relax the swearing brother, you seem madder than usual lately

DOWN WITH BUSHSTER:banghead:

[northwestern 14]

we got to look at the positive here. with stock prices down way below fair value there some real deals to be found. with housing coming down, you might be able to buy a house for under 50 grand. the oil bubble has to pop and with people not being able to afford gas, the price should come back down. I'm trying to find the positive in this uncertain time. I might actually be able to pay cash for a house...saw a 3 bedroom for 14 grand! I might be able to get cheap stock that will rebound eventually and be able to retire in 10 years.

i know the tax cuts are deceitful because everything has at least doubled in price the past 8 years, but lets not just blame one guy. we have the SENATE, the HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES and the SUPREME COURT. these groups draft up bills and these state elected officials are the ones who propose to spend our money. do you ever think that maybe bush was just giving the people what they wanted? if the state elected senators passed a spending bill, then bush signs it, then isn't he giving you the people what you want? i'm more irate about people voting for an issue and passing a law and then some democrat appointed judges say "screw the people and what they voted for, we're going to call this the way we see it". the biggest threat to this country is the appointed for life judges who can do and rule however they please and answer to no one because they aren't elected and don't have to worry about loosing their job. so quit blaming one guy, he isn't king george all he does is sign bills...he never learned how to veto.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Just a reminder to all to be respectful that others may not agree with your political position.

Thanks,

Beth

[yazbird8 17]

Under Bush, the past 7 1/2 years feels like 30 years. Bad times seem to take forever. Good times are gone in a flash.

Since Reagan something in this country has fundamentaly changed.(Maybe it's because I came of age around that time and started to understand politics better) He was president for what seemed like 30 years to me...I loved the guys personality but his politics towards the middle classs was just awful (anyone remember trickle down economics?) Then it was Bush 1 for another, what seemed like, 15 years ( A thousand points of light). I thought that maybe he was a martian version of Mister Rogers.....lol... Then we had Clinton and I finally took a breath...Good times were here again (22 million new jobs were created and new employees were naming their own price if they had an "in demand" skill)..He also enacted NAFTA though and that was a huge mistake..We are still being torn apart by that piece of doo doo legislation.The whole Monika thing sucked also (no pun intented) and it screwed up his going away party...........Now, we have what seems like 30 years of Bush 2... Man this prez give me the willys.......ughhhh

We now need Barrack so we can all breath again....This country needs an energetic, optimistic prez again...I'm positive our foreign allies would agree.

We need a "Reagan type" personality again.......But with Democratic values...

Someone who has the "middle class" way of life as a high priority........

Reagan gave us "Star Wars"................

Obama hopefully will be more creative on how money is used. Hopefully he will take religion out of science so we can let scientists do what they do best........Stem Cell Research comes to mind.......Michael J Fox and others might agree..........

Stephen Andrews

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[Scott Stone 604]

He has helped ruin our economy, our standings in the world, the dollar, our freedoms, our environment just to name a few. He was and is a very divisive president that thought he could do what ever he wanted, no matter if it was against the law or bend the laws or against common practice or decency

GW is the Axis of Evil But other than that he's a great guy LOL 30% approval rating, GW would call that a mandate

:lgbounces:lgsideway:lgwave:

That is higher than the Democratic congress...

Even with the Stock market at 12000, it is still 1500 points higher than when Bush went into office.

You all seem to forget that when Clinton left office that we were at the start of a recession, and that Bush had been in office less than a year when teh stock market got totally shut down for a week or two. I am not sure, but I think that it had to do with some airplane accidents. That dropped the Dow to around 8000.

And then, just what exactly has Obama done to gain experience, or to have a track record to show? He has been a senator for 3 years, and been running for president for two of them. Prior to that, he was a state senator that was never elected president of his state senate.

Maybe that he represented organized crime figures...

There are to many things about him, and the people that he associates with, for me to be even a little comfortable with him.

[4000psi 16]

:lgwave: I don't think I am going to post on this thread. have fun!

[Jeff 232]

That is higher than the Democratic congress...

Even with the Stock market at 12000, it is still 1500 points higher than when Bush went into office.

You all seem to forget that when Clinton left office that we were at the start of a recession, and that Bush had been in office less than a year when the stock market got totally shut down for a week or two. I am not sure, but I think that it had to do with some airplane accidents. That dropped the Dow to around 8000.

And then, just what exactly has Obama done to gain experience, or to have a track record to show? He has been a senator for 3 years, and been running for president for two of them. Prior to that, he was a state senator that was never elected president of his state senate.

Maybe that he represented organized crime figures...

There are to many things about him, and the people that he associates with, for me to be even a little comfortable with him.

We were in a recession his 1st year and now we are in a bigger one his last year plus. Now thats a real good record to have, I wonder how many presidents that has happened to? If all his tax cuts worked, where are they working? It was corporate greed and stupid people that were sucked in that caused the mortgage meltdown, corp greed where they lay off thousands of workers but the CEO's get millions in raises for horrible profits. Corporations knew with Bush in office they can do anything they want and there will be no repercussions, so they are robbing us blind

I am not thrilled with our choices, but I refuse to vote for another republican this year especially one that thinks Bush is doing a good job. Its a hope & a prayer this up coming election. I too am worried about his experience, but you know something Reagan really didn't have much foreign policy experience and he helped bring down the iron curtain. I really don't want Hill or Obama, but I sure don't want McCain and I used to like Mac, but he sounds so different then he did in 2000. I will vote dem, just for a different point of view in the Oval Office

You all talk about the stock market, its pretty uneasy now BUT more than that its not all about the stock market, Stock market isn't real life for most Americans. Hell the stock market is whats causing many of our troubles now. It turned corporations in to nothing but greedy animals, they will close down and put thousands out of work to raise there stocks for their shareholders. You can take care of stock holders and still be a good citizens, Don't tell me corporate greed isn't bad. We have lead in children's toys, we have meat coming in from all over the world that is tainted, we have our pets being killed, we are buying products that are cheap or tainted and run by countries that use slave & child labor, you cant call many help lines without getting someone you barely can understand.

Maybe Jeb Bush will run in 2012.

Bad Bush

[bigchaz 157]

I like how everyone blames the president for the economic problems caused by peoples incessant hunger for purchasing homes on credit they could never afford.

You wanna know where tax cuts were working? How about government tax receipts coming in at an all time high and 3 percent above projections the year after they went into effect?