Gas prices

[Jeff 232]

Hear we go again gas prices are going up & up. What a PITA, call or email your elected officials and tell them youu want lower prices, if enough people complain to our elected officials, the prices usually come down. Tell them you'll vote this upcoming election.

Its all a game.

I just saw that the head of Exxon is retiring this month or year and his retirment package is $ 450,000,000 Thats right 450 Million and he made $52 million last year.

Tell me they arent taking advantage of us. capitalism is fine but this is ridiculous. Call your congressman & reps and tell them their jobs are on the line

www.senate.gov or www.house.gov you can find your reps & congressmen and email or call them

JL

[Mike Williamson 198]

The government has engines that will run on water stored in the same warehouse with the aliens and their space craft.

LOL!!!

OK, Bob. ;)

[PLD 14]

We could have had many of these alternitive forms of energy at least 2 decades ago. But our Goverment has done very little to promote it until recently, very recently alot has to do with oil companies that behind the scenes fought against it. Its a fact.

Since when is it the governments job to promote alternative fuels? And exactly what are YOU doing to promote alternative fuels? Are you an early adopter? Do you own even ONE alternative fuel appliance? I can answer all off these.

1. It's not.

2. Nothing.

3. No.

4. No.

Alot of the other forms of energy are not cost effective or affordable yet and they could of been years ago.

Let me follow your logic here: Gas companies are screwing me because they charge way too much. I would dump them and switch to another source, but they are much more expensive...

As I said before, this makes no sense at all. You are pissed at the gas companies for their prices, yet they are the CHEAPEST option available.

I cant build one now because all my other cost are to much.

Pure BS. If you are getting screwed as badly as you profess, you can not afford NOT to find an alternative. The reality is that you are not that bad off. You do not LIKE gas prices, but have no intention of putting up your own money to help fix it.

But if I was a big corp the Goverment would subsidize it probably

And if I was dirt poor, I could get a free bus voucher. This is an ad hominem statement that you cannot back with anything besides anecdotal evidence.

As for CEO's making 50-100 million in a year, its ridiculous and as we've seen time & time again it can breed corruption and many unethical practices and they will do anything for that profit legal & illegal.

Just so I can be clear about what you are saying, please tell me specifically who "they" are? And what "it" is? And can you list some of the "corruption", "unethical", and "illegal" practices "they" have done? Of course not. This is a poor attempt to create a boogey man that all the little guys can rally behind and hate. A bogey man who is responsibel for them being poor. That way, they don't have to face up to the fact that the person who made them poor stares back at them from the mirror each morning.

I cant afford [snip] all this alternitive fuel equipment. Its a catch 22

No, it is a decision. You CHOOSE not to afford all that alternative fuel equipment.

I dont want the goverment to take their profits, I never said that. I want the goverment to tell them to give us a break

And the difference is? In one case, you get $200 and must give $100 back. In the other case, you only get $100. Either way, the corporation is forced (at the point of a gun) to give up a percentage of their WHOPPING 9% margins. And BTW, I gotta give you credit "tell" is such a nice way to say "force".

Not to be course but I think a lot of your replies are ..........and totally misguided, but thats just my opinion

Of course you think I'm misguided. We come from very different perspectives. I am a hard core capitalist and you are a fascist.

NO ONE FORCES ME TO BUY OIL, what world do you live in, thats FUNNY

Really? Someone came to you door with a gun and dragged you kicking and screaming to the local Chevron? Or did you make a choice to get in your car on your own volition and go buy gasoline. And then you chose to use that gasoline to make 25-50% profit margins.

25-50%?!? You greedy rotten thief. Your profit margins last year were nearly 3-5x what the gas companies were. You should give all your customers a break AND call congress and ask them to start enforcing price controls on YOU.

Oh wait, 25-50% margins are ok for you, but if Chevron makes 9% margins they are evil, greedy monsters.

[squirtgun 122]

For me "THEY" are the voices in my head.As long as they are there I'll never feel lonely.

[Jeff 232]

Since when is it the governments job to promote alternative fuels? And exactly what are YOU doing to promote alternative fuels? Are you an early adopter? Do you own even ONE alternative fuel appliance? I can answer all off these.

1. It's not.

2. Nothing.

3. No.

4. No.

Let me follow your logic here: Gas companies are screwing me because they charge way too much. I would dump them and switch to another source, but they are much more expensive...

As I said before, this makes no sense at all. You are pissed at the gas companies for their prices, yet they are the CHEAPEST option available.

Pure BS. If you are getting screwed as badly as you profess, you can not afford NOT to find an alternative. The reality is that you are not that bad off. You do not LIKE gas prices, but have no intention of putting up your own money to help fix it.

And if I was dirt poor, I could get a free bus voucher. This is an ad hominem statement that you cannot back with anything besides anecdotal evidence.

Just so I can be clear about what you are saying, please tell me specifically who "they" are? And what "it" is? And can you list some of the "corruption", "unethical", and "illegal" practices "they" have done? Of course not. This is a poor attempt to create a boogey man that all the little guys can rally behind and hate. A bogey man who is responsibel for them being poor. That way, they don't have to face up to the fact that the person who made them poor stares back at them from the mirror each morning.

No, it is a decision. You CHOOSE not to afford all that alternative fuel equipment.

And the difference is? In one case, you get $200 and must give $100 back. In the other case, you only get $100. Either way, the corporation is forced (at the point of a gun) to give up a percentage of their WHOPPING 9% margins. And BTW, I gotta give you credit "tell" is such a nice way to say "force".

Of course you think I'm misguided. We come from very different perspectives. I am a hard core capitalist and you are a fascist.

Really? Someone came to you door with a gun and dragged you kicking and screaming to the local Chevron? Or did you make a choice to get in your car on your own volition and go buy gasoline. And then you chose to use that gasoline to make 25-50% profit margins.

25-50%?!? You greedy rotten thief. Your profit margins last year were nearly 3-5x what the gas companies were. You should give all your customers a break AND call congress and ask them to start enforcing price controls on YOU.

Oh wait, 25-50% margins are ok for you, but if Chevron makes 9% margins they are evil, greedy monsters.

Philip, Now your just being an AHOLE. Most of your comebacks are out of line, wrong, rude and twisted to your benifit, but thats OK

Corruption, unethical, illegal.....Enron Tyson, Abaroff, Scooter Libby, just to name a few, maybe you havent read a newspaper in a long time, there's boogey men being busted all the time in corp america & lobbying firms

Yes I have to buy from Chevron, Exxon etc etc its all I can afford which just gets more expensive daily. Maybe I'll go by a hybrid mini car 38K to pull my trailer, get what I mean, probably not. Screwed so badly, I dont think I said that but I have a right not to like the prices and email my reps, I do right? www.senate.gov

I'm done responding to your post, I dont like your tone

Have a good one

Life is Good!!!

JL

[smokey51 14]

Jeff, don't take it hard, Philip is not attacking you personally, just what you believe. Of course I would not have called you a fascist, just a damn hard core liberal! LOL

By the way, name me one thing for which Scooter Libby has been convicted!

Smokey51

[Jeff 232]

Jeff, don't take it hard, Philip is not attacking you personally, just what you believe. Of course I would not have called you a fascist, just a damn hard core liberal! LOL

By the way, name me one thing for which Scooter Libby has been convicted!

Smokey51

Smokey,

I'm a big boy , I can take debate I just didnt want to deal with the line for line stuff, I can see all points of views, It just got old and the tone and debate did also, some of Phils comments and constant line for line stuff just got offensive to me so I choose not to have this debate with Philip any longer. I just think he exaggerated most of my comments to much to often and I may be guilty of the same to some extent, so I'm not going to discuss this any longerwith Phil.

Fascist - funny, Hard Core Liberal - Most of the time, Republican - No...voted for 2 Repub prezs and a few in lower offices and have some conservitive views.

Im just not as thrilled with big biz as Phil & others, I just personally think everything is out of kilt a little compared to what Ive seen in the past

I never said Scooter Libby was convicted of anything. I just think all this CIA leak stuff could of been taken care of a long time ago if the Prez just came out and was a little more forth coming, It would of saved a lot of bull & money. All involved who let it drag out seem unethical to me. The present republican administration I dont trust a all, other republican admins, I may of disagreed with some things but I basically trusted them I just dont with this one.

Oh ya I still dont like gas prices, but Im not going to turn my whole house solar, set up wind mills to run my wifes hair dryer and buy hybrid PW equipment run off of puppy poop LOL. I cant wait for an alternative fuel thats readily available from resources in our country. Maybe then we wont have to democratize a region who now hates us more than ever. We can tell them all to go to hell and let them kill each other like they have from the beginning of time and then we'll have our great men & women of the armed services home and out of that insane region.

Smokey hows biz up there hope your staying busy and making the $$$

Jeff

[smokey51 14]

Jeff, my feeling is get the govt out of my life as much as possible. It has grown way too big and spends way too much money. It is more of a hinderence than help. It gets in the way of business and the free market system. It, now I know you don't want to hear this, robs from the rich and gives to the poor. But that should be left to us individually and organizations. I know everyone was thrilled when the Fed govt finally started helping the Katrina victims, but do you realize that after the Chicago fire and the San Francisco earthquake, no fed money was used to help or rebuild those cities. Get the feds out of our lives and we would be alot better off.

Actually haven't started work yet in CB. I just "retired" from my other job last week. I wanted to do it a month ago, but they asked me to stay one more month to help them out. Stupid me did. But I have been reading and learning all I can, buying equipment and supplies and doing some jobs around here. Unlike you, I want to specialize in decks which New Hanover and Brunswick county have plenty. Today I have to do a house wash, a driveway, and a church steeple (don't worry, it is not too high). I also have a fence and a deck lined up to do early next week. My target date is to move May 2, I hope I can make it. I went and had an estimate on lettering up my trailer yesterday - $1250! That may have to wait.

Maybe I will come down and see ya soon! But I must warn you, I can talk the paint off a wall! LOL

Smokey

[PLD 14]

Jeff, don't take it hard, Philip is not attacking you personally, just what you believe. Of course I would not have called you a fascist, just a damn hard core liberal!

Smokey, you are right. Personally, I like Jeff and aspire to have the success he has.

Jeff, the "fascist" label was not an attack. It was merely a statement fact. By your own statements, you believe in government control (but not ownership) of the means of production. That is the textbook definition (economically speaking) of fascism. And one who promotes fascism is a fascist. If being called a fascist offends you, then I would suggest that some introspection is in order.

FWIW, most people who label themselves as liberals are truly fascists or socialists. But, since they know that socialism and fascism are extremely unpopular positions (rightly so), they label themselves as liberals or "progressives". I do not subscribe to this type of wishy-washy politics. Be a man. If you don't like being called a socialist, fascist, etc then do not behave like one. Stand up for what you believe and and be held accountable for your actions. In my case, that means that I am an Ayn Rand (hard core) capitalist, and generaly vote libertarian. I believe that price controls are wrong, welfare is thievery, and the war on drugs (and more recently terror) are being used to move this country much closer to a totalitarian state.

[PLD 14]

Philip, Now your just being an AHOLE. Most of your comebacks are out of line, wrong, rude and twisted to your benifit, but thats OK

No. My replies are pointed, factual, and address your positions directly without vaugery or ambiguity. If that is being an ahole, they I plead guilty.

As for being wrong, or twisted, they have been published here for the review of a few hundred people. If they are wrong or twisted, anyone is free to rebutt them at their leisure. So far, I have not see a great flood of responses correcting my posts. And I doubt that I will...

Corruption, unethical, illegal.....Enron Tyson, Abaroff, Scooter Libby, just to name a few, maybe you havent read a newspaper in a long time, there's boogey men being busted all the time in corp america & lobbying firms

Regretfully, your response is so illogical that I cannot even respond intelligently. But, I will make an attempt. You made a claim that big profits/big business causes corruption. I asked you to support that claim, and you toss out a few names from the headlines. Yes, the above statement is true. Those people (and others) were accused/indigted/convicted of varying criminal offenses. But, that does not addresss or support your position. I could respond by naming 500 companies and 50,000 executives who were NOT accused of corruption.

Yes I have to buy from Chevron, Exxon etc etc its all I can afford which just gets more expensive daily.

Jeff, this is the third or fourth time you have thrown this out there. I assume that you hope that if it gets said enough times, I will let it slide. But I will won't. It's BS. If gas is costing you that much money, then you cannot afford NOT to find an alternative. Do you wash concrete with a wand? No. Was your surface cleaner cheap? No. You made a decision to spend money to reduce your operating costs. Does gas cost you money? Yes. Are there alternatives? yes. Are they less expensive? Maybe.

If the only alternatives are more expensive, stop whining about how expensive the cheapest option is. If the alternatives are less expensive, then stop whining and go do something about it.

I dont think I said that but I have a right not to like the prices and email my reps, I do right?

You have every right in the world to dislike gas prices. I do also. But, that is not all you are doing. You are asking your elected official to take money from the gas companies at the point of a gun. And that is WRONG.

[PLD 14]

Fascist - funny

Might I suggest that you research the term a little more extensively. You might not find it so funny any more. An objective look in the mirror can be a very scary thing...

Oh ya I still dont like gas prices, but Im not going to turn my whole house solar, set up wind mills to run my wifes hair dryer and buy hybrid PW equipment run off of puppy poop LOL.

You may not like my line by line response style, but unfortunately it is required because you try to insert ridiculous BS like this in the hope it will go unanswered. This is the type of response that is typical from someone who cannot support their position.

The bottom line is this; You don't like gas prices and you have no intention of doing anything about it. Nothing except complaining to your elected represenative and trying to get them to take money from someone else (at the point of a gun) and give it to you. If you would just be a man and admit that, we can agree to disagree. But as long as you try to wrap that pile of dog squeeze in ribbons and pass it off as a bouquet, then I will keep pointing out the inconsistencies and fallacies in your argument.

No matter how you dress him up and romanticize him, ROBBIN HOOD WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A THIEF!

[jgoral76 14]

in reguards to mr. williamson, GW dosent make the gas prices no. but he is a very big name in the oil industry, funny how GW and chenney and haliburton and big oil go hand in hand. my .02

[PLD 14]

in reguards to mr. williamson, GW dosent make the gas prices no. but he is a very big name in the oil industry, funny how GW and chenney and haliburton and big oil go hand in hand. my .02

Funny as in suspicious? Not at all. Bush was in the oil business. Cheney was in the oil business. At some point they became acquainted (or at least highly aware of each other) and they developed a mutual respect for one another. They also shared very similar business expereinces, which as a CEO means they shared many similar life expereinces Later, Bush was elected and he selected Cheney as a running mate.

So yes, you are entirely correct when you say that GW and chenney and haliburton and big oil go hand in hand. But in all probability it is not any manner of conspiracy. Always be careful of looking backwards and finding coincidences. It is like seeing Jesus in the spagetti bowl AFTER someone points it out to you.

[PLD 14]

I thought you might find this chart from InflationData.com informative. Here's some things that you might notice.

- Gas was highest under Jimmy Carter than any other time in history (including now). Jimmy Carter was not a friend of big oil.

- Gas prices were roughly the same in 1949, 1956, 1979, and 1985 as they are now.

- Gas prices 1918-1974 were higher than anytime during Bush's 1st 4 years.

- Gas prices were cheaper under Reagans second term than any time previously since 1918.

- Clinton boasts the cheapest gas prices recorded in his second term but they began a sharp rise in early 1999 that continued until 2001.

- Prices fell sharply in Bushes first term, and rose sharply in the second.

[Mountain View 14]

I'm going to assume that Mr. Doolittle isn't voting for Hilary as the next Prez. Just a hunch.

[PLD 14]

I'm going to assume that Mr. Doolittle isn't voting for Hilary as the next Prez. Just a hunch.

Ummm.... Nope. That woman is a socialist through and through.

Not sure who'll get the LP nomination, so I can't say if I'm voting Libertarian again in 2008. But, if some Demo or Repub takes a hard line stance on the Fair Tax I'd be hard pressed not to ignore ALL their other faults just to get that ball rolling.

[Mountain View 14]

I'm gonna plead ingnorance......are there any libertarians in congress?

[Mountain View 14]

:yoda: Ying and Yang bring balance.

[PLD 14]

I'm gonna plead ingnorance......are there any libertarians in congress?

In fact, Russ Diamond, the Libertarian Party's 2004 candidate for both Congress (15th Congressional District) and Pennsylvania House (101st District), was recently named one of the Philadelphia Inquirer's three Citizens of the Year.

[Mike Williamson 198]

in reguards to mr. williamson, GW dosent make the gas prices no. but he is a very big name in the oil industry, funny how GW and chenney and haliburton and big oil go hand in hand. my .02

Do you have anything of substance to say, or is this all you can come up with? Not trying to be rude or offensive, but this is the same type of empty rhetoric I've heard ever since Bush was elected. Bush is not involved in the oil industry. He doesn't own oil stock. He doesn't chair any companies. He doesn't make any money from the oil industry. You can make all the silly accusations and allude to back alley deals where Bush and Cheney are getting rich and/or helping their pals from days gone by get rich, but unless you can substantiate any of it, it's nothing but hot air.

Unless you can explain to me in detail how President Bush, **** Cheney, and Haliburton have anything to do with the current gas prices, I'm simply going to assume you really don't know.

[Jeff 232]

Jeff, my feeling is get the govt out of my life as much as possible. It has grown way too big and spends way too much money. It is more of a hinderence than help. It gets in the way of business and the free market system. It, now I know you don't want to hear this, robs from the rich and gives to the poor. But that should be left to us individually and organizations. I know everyone was thrilled when the Fed govt finally started helping the Katrina victims, but do you realize that after the Chicago fire and the San Francisco earthquake, no fed money was used to help or rebuild those cities. Get the feds out of our lives and we would be alot better off.

Actually haven't started work yet in CB. I just "retired" from my other job last week. I wanted to do it a month ago, but they asked me to stay one more month to help them out. Stupid me did. But I have been reading and learning all I can, buying equipment and supplies and doing some jobs around here. Unlike you, I want to specialize in decks which New Hanover and Brunswick county have plenty. Today I have to do a house wash, a driveway, and a church steeple (don't worry, it is not too high). I also have a fence and a deck lined up to do early next week. My target date is to move May 2, I hope I can make it. I went and had an estimate on lettering up my trailer yesterday - $1250! That may have to wait.

Maybe I will come down and see ya soon! But I must warn you, I can talk the paint off a wall! LOL

Smokey

Congrats Smokey on the retirement!!!!! Theres just not a ton of nice decks around here, good luck with that. You are more than welcome to come to the beach would like to meet you.

How big is your trailer, mines 16' and I was quoted anywhere from $900 - $1400

Enjoy

JL

[Jeff 232]

Smokey, you are right. Personally, I like Jeff and aspire to have the success he has.

Jeff, the "fascist" label was not an attack. It was merely a statement fact. By your own statements, you believe in government control (but not ownership) of the means of production. That is the textbook definition (economically speaking) of fascism. And one who promotes fascism is a fascist. If being called a fascist offends you, then I would suggest that some introspection is in order.

FWIW, most people who label themselves as liberals are truly fascists or socialists. But, since they know that socialism and fascism are extremely unpopular positions (rightly so), they label themselves as liberals or "progressives". I do not subscribe to this type of wishy-washy politics. Be a man. If you don't like being called a socialist, fascist, etc then do not behave like one. Stand up for what you believe and and be held accountable for your actions. In my case, that means that I am an Ayn Rand (hard core) capitalist, and generaly vote libertarian. I believe that price controls are wrong, welfare is thievery, and the war on drugs (and more recently terror) are being used to move this country much closer to a totalitarian state.

Now your telling me to "be a man".

A comment like that used to get people dropped, but I'm a little older now and a much nicer person, althou I was surprised you said it, sort of, it doesnt bother me now

Who's the extremist, Im getting ill reading all your stuff putting me down. You dont know me Phil and I now have a feeling I dont really want to know you now, since you know everything

Do me a favor after your next post commenting on this post, could you just drop it. Your point of view now really means nothing to me and mine means nothing to you I'm sure, althou some of this has been a good read its getting really boring and offensive to me. Not everything is as extreme as you take it, chill out dude

Phil be a man and drop it.

I just came from the bathroom and yes I looked in the mirror, Damn I'm a handsome *******:lgsideway

JL

[jgoral76 14]

mr. williamson do you watch the news and read the paper go back to when gw was first elected. think of all the things b4 gw was pres and now that he's prez, this country was not in resesstion when clinton was in office. oh and by the way all politians are crooked. thanks it's been fun.

[Mike Williamson 198]

mr. williamson do you watch the news and read the paper go back to when gw was first elected. think of all the things b4 gw was pres and now that he's prez, this country was not in resesstion when clinton was in office. oh and by the way all politians are crooked. thanks it's been fun.

Lol, thanks for the confirmation! Just what I thought.

[Jeff 232]

mr. williamson do you watch the news and read the paper go back to when gw was first elected. think of all the things b4 gw was pres and now that he's prez, this country was not in resesstion when clinton was in office. oh and by the way all politians are crooked. thanks it's been fun.

You must be a fascist like me. I do agree thou, they are all crooked!

Hey Beth & Rod I started this thread can you get rid of it for me. Its getting nasty and not informative at all. My bad

If you could delete it.

Thanks

Jeff

[Adrian 155]

Jeff, my brother in arms, my friend, my Grime scene buddy, my lendor of great ideas, my ever so positive poster that all love on this forum. I have been biting my lip until your last statement.

My girlfriend's family have been politicians for over 30 years in Texas.

For the decade that I have known them and seen them in action I can honestly say that not all are crooked. They are very honest people and work very hard FOR THE PEOPLE. Even though they are in Texas, they deal with Washington on a regular basis to help the people, that includes you and me ( even though you are not in Texas) alot of what they do affects all of us.

Crooked......... not all. You are doing what you feel needs to be done by contacting your local and Natl. Gov't. Plus that is what they want us to do anyway. How else would they know what the people's concerns are.

I am with ya bro, except that all are crooked....... It's just not true.

I nominate Stephan Hawking as our next Pres. He'll get us out of this mess.